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Poster: stratocaster Date: Oct 4, 2005 11:34am
Forum: etree Subject: Scarlet>Fire

First Played 03-18-1977
Last Played 07-02-1995

This classic combination was a crowd favorite at Grateful dead shows for years. This serves as a review of the best Scarlet>Fires played. Criteria include: Technical merit, vocal and lyrical performance, energy and of course the intangibles that make the Dead the Dead...

The Scarlet Begonias>Fire on the Mountain
Hall of Fame (in no particular order)

1. 05-08-1977 (genius version)
2. 10-10-1980 (beautiful segue, Jerry fans Fire)
3. 03-22-1990 (Midi magic, amazing segue)
4. 07-08-1987 (short, but tight and jams)
5. 03-31-1988 (classicly constructed)
6. 05-08-1979 (need an upgrade pronto d)
7. 10-01-1994 (the band gets it together)
8. 12-31-1978 (New Year's energy high)
9. 06-18-1983 (great early 80s)
10. 10-19-1981 (searing Garcia jams in Fire)
11. 06-07-1991 (great Garcia-Hornsby interplay)
12. 12-28-1986 he's back!

honorable mention: 04-11-1978, 10-02-1977 (some of Garcia's best wah leads ever), 02-05-1978, 09-02-1978, 04-20-1984, 03-28-1985 (distortion effects city), 04-22-1979, 09-08-1983, 10-21-1983, 10-17-1978, 09-14-1990, 03-21-1991, 09-04-1991

special note--10-14-94--in my opinion , one of the most over-rated tracks in Dead history
11-01-1979--Good, but not truly great
11-30-1980--amazing segue into Fire, but Jerry's solos in Fire are lacking...

just my two cents...beep beep







This post was modified by stratocaster on 2005-04-06 18:19:53

This post was modified by stratocaster on 2005-10-04 18:34:30

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Poster: najdz Date: Oct 5, 2005 2:57pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

Which(or may I ask what year) scarlet fire is the one from hartford that Bobby was going wild with some strange sound. It had some sort of tawg sound to it, I was at that show, and had a cassette that I loaned to someone but never got back, If someone can help, I would appreciate it, it was in the eighties, thanx

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Poster: hazbeen Date: Apr 5, 2005 3:31am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

oops. i see that 10-21-83 at least made your "honorable mentions". i like your list. ditto on 10-14-83. could any 90s scarlet-fire out-rank one of those long, smokey versions they played in '83? just wondering...

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Poster: dire--wolf Date: Oct 10, 2005 5:36am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

3-31-88 good call, my 2nd show

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Poster: jgradygroove Date: Apr 11, 2013 5:44am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

5-17-77

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Poster: adroot02 Date: Oct 5, 2005 3:21pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

I hate to add one more question to this thread but in all your searches for some great Scarlet/Fire has anyone come across the show that contains the Scarlet/Fire which is tagged on the end of disc 2 of Dick's Pick's 13? It's a very slow, funky one that sounds like 1979 0r 1980. could be a bit later, not sure. Defintely early in Brent's tenure. If anyone knows, I would really appreciate a head's up. And while I'm here, let me throw in my two cents-- some of my favortie (though I know I'm leaving out a few and probably covering some that have already been thrown out)

5-17-77,10-2-77, 11,30,79, 11-26-82, 3-31-84, 3-22-90, 04-03-90 (just Scarlet), and 06-07-91. 10-2 is maybe the hottest of this bunch. Always hard to say, I like different ones on different days!

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Oct 5, 2005 11:16pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

11-01-1979 nassau

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Poster: adroot02 Date: Oct 5, 2005 11:52pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

Hey, thanks for the tip startocaster! I'm about to download that mutha right now.

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Poster: kapowsin Date: Apr 19, 2005 9:44am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

5/13/77 is pretty neat. I love all of them that have a lot of the wah-wah petal going on. It really sounds like its talking to me, but I guess it's supposed too.

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Poster: US Blues Date: Oct 5, 2005 7:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

Our first show is often the fondest: 1.8.79 at MSG is epic, the end of Fire astonishing. I'll also ditto Fishead's recommend of 2.3.79 for the intensity of Scarlet.

And 2 from 1981: MSG 3.10 and Glens Falls on Cinco de Mayo (5.5), high energy time.

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Poster: VA slim Date: Oct 5, 2005 2:20pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

did i really just "skim" an entire thread deadicated to S>F, and there was no mention of 4-16-78???????

SHame, shame on you all!!

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Oct 5, 2005 2:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

one of my favorites is 9/1/79, 30 minutes of high energy!!
Also have to echo 12-27-83, a truly great jam

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Poster: hazbeen Date: Apr 4, 2005 4:24am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

10-21-83. give it another listen. ps. it's a bit quieter in the library today. now we can get some work done.

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Poster: nas Date: Apr 5, 2005 1:54am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

how can you skip 10-14-83

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Poster: Give Me A High Four Date: Oct 4, 2005 10:02am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

Alright people listen up - I have been building a list for two years of great versions of dead songs and here are my picks: Obviously the 5-8-77 just smokes, after that listen to 2-3-78 - The first six minutes of Scarlet may have some of the best jamming I've ever heard! For a later entry one should try 3-22-87

I also LOVE to listen to a hot version of 'Eyes' - A must have is 8-6-74

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Poster: bonk Date: Oct 4, 2005 11:36pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

Strat...check out 7-7-89 RFK.Scarlet jam into fire...very nice

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Poster: pigpenfan101 Date: Oct 8, 2005 2:52pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

5/26/1995 Known as the"Last hoorah" for Dead shows. This show has a KILLER Scarlet/Fire for Jerry's condition. Granted, his vocal performance isn't 5 star. But the playing deserves every bit of 5 stars. Check this one out.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 10, 2005 5:20am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

Need more? Of course!

9-11-(unfortunate month/day, granted) but the year is 1982.

I call this the most "perfect" S-F combo ever. Perfect tempo, perfect jams, perfect vocals, no screw-ups on the lyrics by Jerry' perfect redux back into the Scarlet finish.

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Apr 6, 2005 11:32am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

Please don't forget 7/7/1989.

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Poster: liranfa Date: Apr 6, 2005 11:42am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

San Francisco 12-27-83....A sleeper that not too many people have heard. It comes in at 30 minutes and the jamming is REALLY exciting. Brent has the "Christmas" keyboard sound going. This show is also noted by the version of "Black Peter" where Jerry comes to the quietest moment to sing "run and see"....Jerry hesitated as if to forget where he was.....and someone in the audience couldn't take it and yelled "RUN AND SEE!!"...the whole 8000 people there heard it and laughed. A great moment.

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Poster: Redhead in Deep Elem Date: Oct 5, 2005 1:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

I also endorse 12/27/83, which I have turned folks onto for years. Other highlights from this run include the rowdy Stranger and the Other One (damn!) from 12/28/83, which is one of my favorites, start to finish.

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Apr 6, 2005 12:51pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

YES!! this was a great Scarlet>Fire and show. This run were my first SF shows and they were really strong (TERRAPIN! and the 30th were the best of the run IMHO.)sbd of the 30th is crisp 27th has problems.Civic + the park was a nice New Years local.

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Poster: bluedogbeads Date: Apr 8, 2005 12:28am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

the aud source for 12-27-83 sounds amazing...great show

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Poster: runandsee Date: Oct 5, 2005 9:06pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

sweet! thanks!!

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Poster: Fishead Date: Oct 5, 2005 2:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Scarlet>Fire

2-3-79

pure sick jerry !!!!!!

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